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| The Quorthon
Nordland interview
Part I |
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In this interview, almost 13 000
words in length, Quorthon of BATHORY is talking both about the new BATHORY
twin album "Nordland" and the history of BATHORY, as well as sharing with
us his thoughts, memories and some inside stories from two decades of
making metal history. |
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-There are of course certain things
you'll be returning to, once the time and place of an album ends up in a
typical BATHORY version of the ancient north, says Quorthon with a
smile as he is mentioning BATHORY returning to the infamous Asa bay on
"Nordland".
The new twin album is right throughout
purely Nordic stuff. Could it really be said to a part of an ongoing
evolution, picking something up from the past like this typical BATHORY
northern theme? |
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Quorthon: An overwhelming majority of
BATHORY's fans consider the pure BATHORY and, according to their
dedication and the tone of their letters, one that no other act seem to be
able to deliver with quite such a feel and so genuinely. |
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The pure Nordic style we of course recognize from such albums as "Hammerheart" and "Blood on Ice". Bits of "Twilight of the Gods" I guess carried the Nordic atmosphere as well. How would the Nordic theme on "Nordland" be similar or different to that of these so called Nordic or Viking albums? |
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Quorthon: "Blood on Ice" certainly
carried a Nordic touch, but it was more of a saga with nothing in common
with what's on "Hammerheart" or "Nordland", or any other of our albums for
that matter. It was a theme album meaning that right throughout the album,
you could follow a story which was loosely based on ancient Scandinavian
and Germanic mythology, Richard Wagner's Siegfried-legend and the original
Conan script by Robert E. Howard from the 1930's. |
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On to the subject of "Nordland" being a twin release, one volume released early in the winter and one in late winter. I know how "Nordland" became a twin release, but what could we tell the BATHORY audience about that? |
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Quorthon: All the material on both
"Nordland" volumes falls within the same story frame. It's not a theme
twin-album. But should you want it to be so, there is a very loose plot on
there, one you can follow should you listen to the tracks in a slightly
different order than how they follow one another on the two CD's. However,
should you not want it to be a story in there at all, you can easily just
enjoy the material without being bothered about some plot. |
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The whole concept of the ancient north; Asa bay, the dragonships and the lot. Will that subject require a very different approach in terms of writing lyrics than, say, modern topics? |
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Quorthon: Sure. When writing modern
lyrics, you just have to watch your own time, the society and all, getting
an urge to pick something contemporary up. What you do basically is
writing about it much in the same way you would telling a recent story
without preaching anything or taking side for or against whatever. It's
your artistic interpretation of something contemporary or near
contemporary. |
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So why bring the issue up in the first place, if you knew it was hot stuff? |
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Quorthon: Once while in Berlin
promoting "Hammerheart" years ago, between interviews, I quickly ran down
a hobby shop buying a bag full of plastic model airplanes. One German
journalist saw me stuffing the boxes of airplanes down my trunk and later
on described in his article how disgusting it was having to witness me
caring so much for my "nazi-toys". I guess I learned the hard way how very
differently people will react when spotting a box of P-51 Mustang or a
plastic Me 262 jet airplane model. So I made damn sure to pick the subject
of war and shit up just slightly every once in a while after that, just to
piss them off. And of course they hit the roof every time. I loved it, but
it created an ugly atmosphere, particularly in Germany. |
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Nah, not at all ha-ha-ha. I was wondering about something. There's a lot of reference made to nature, weather, the elements and animals in these Nordic lyrics. Any mentioning and description of people is very scarce! |
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Quorthon: When I write Nordic lyrics,
I don't want to come across as an academic copying actual names, places
and historic events to the letter. Also, I've been trying to avoid using
too much muscle-this and broadsword-that, along with all the slaying,
raping and pillaging bit. Come to think of it, there has always been a lot
of slaying, raping and pillaging in every phase of history and in every
culture. However, it's much more of a challenge not to bring that stuff
up. |
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And the music; what would be the main difference between writing more brutal stuff and Nordic music? |
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Quorthon: Actually not as much of a
difference as one might first think. As far as composing the music is
concerned, the difference between them two styles is mainly spelled
intensity and atmosphere. |
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So what will usually come first, the lyrics or the music? |
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Quorthon: I think at least
three-quarters of what's on all the BATHORY albums, began as music way
before I had even any words written. I might not actually have anything
down on paper, but a basic idea for a story is usually enough for me to
try some riff or notes out on guitar or keyboard, and then set out to
write that particular track. A subject out of the blue will trigger the
music. |
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>From following the stream of letters and emails to Black Mark, I have of course noticed which titles in the BATHORY back catalogue that are most frequently ordered through our webshop and talked about the most. How vital is the voice of the fans when you're setting out to write something that so obviously is intended to pick up from where a classic BATHORY album like "Hammerheart" left off? |
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Quorthon: Immensely important. I do
care a lot for details brought up in fan mail. I have sometimes even been
criticized for paying too much attention. One English journalist even more
or less forbade me to ever read fan mail again. As if that would help in
bringing about a new BATHORY album that would be closer to what he felt
BATHORY should really sound like. But I did understand his point of view,
even though he was wrong. |
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The styles and sounds on the records have changed quite a bit over these past twenty years. The 80's meant albums all varying a lot in style and sound from primitive Death Metal, Black Metal, Doom, Thrash and Epic stuff. Then the 90's started off with the big "Twilight of the Gods" arrangement, which was followed by a couple of albums containing a very brutal style with modern lyrics. A quick look would tell an observer there are three clearly identifiable sides of BATHORY; the demonic, the brutal and the Nordic side. All extremely loved by your fans, although your audience is clearly divided into separate categories. With such a diverse musical background to live up to and rich well to pick from, what's the deciding factor determining whether a new BATHORY album should contain dark brutalities or majestically rumble in an ancient Nordic atmosphere. Regained lust for something you haven't done in a while, reviews or fan mail? |
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Quorthon: Gut feeling actually. Never
ever a review. Reviews are just one guy's idea of something he's heard
once or twice at best, all while having to listen through a whole bunch of
stuff released that week. |
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So the Nordic theme on "Nordland" is a temporary move rather than something more permanent? |
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Quorthon: Even though the pure Nordic feeling and atmosphere naturally feels very exciting right now, I am sure it would all feel very watery after a while should BATHORY offer a release like "Nordland" every year and several years in a row. Having said that, there's absolutely nothing that says the next one couldn't be all Nordic as well should an overwhelming majority of the fans express a wish for it to be just that. |
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Now, I have read stuff in assorted metal media, some folk claim the 90's for BATHORY to have been a failure, with the two albums "Requiem" and "Octagon" taking most of the beating. What if any of those minds would suggest "Nordland" to be no more than an attempt by BATHORY to please the Nordic Metal craving crowds that didn't hear enough broadswords on "Destroyer"? |
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Quorthon: I know exactly where any
such thoughts regarding our 90's would stem from. And nothing could be
further from the truth. First we have to agree on a definition of the
meaning of failure. |
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Now, the release from last year "Destroyer of Worlds", contains a mixed bash of material. I believe it came about during very hectic circumstances. What can we say about it that hasn't already been mentioned in the media? |
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Quorthon: I began writing the material
in mid June. We were forced to wait until the end of the Swedish
industrial holiday before entering the studio, which we did at the end of
July. And we had a master ready by mid August I believe. We worked
onehundred and twelve hours on it. We only added a few hours at the very
end for additional mix. So "Destroyer of Worlds" is the second fastest
recording in BATHORY history, beaten only by the debut which required
fifty-six hours from soundcheck to complete master. One guy nearly had a
heart attack when he heard we'd spent only onehundred and twelve hours on
"Destroyer of the Worlds". He figured we must have been working for six
months on tracks like "Lake of Fire" and "Day of Wrath".
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Before beginning working on and recording "Destroyer", you had been on a break, which I believe turned out to be twice as long as you had first intended. What was the reason for the time-out? |
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Quorthon: Well, BATHORY seem to be
able to wear two coats very well and be the act for several kinds of fans;
some regarding BATHORY to be the original dark and demonic act whereas
others regard BATHORY to be the ultimate Nordic and atmospheric thing. And
there is a certain sort of freedom in that, being able to do a little bit
of everything. It keeps BATHORY interesting. |
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And during these years, 1998 - 2001, I know BATHORY was working on several projects. Some material should have been featuring classical influences and medieval instruments and stuff. Any chance we can release any of that later on? |
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Quorthon: There was some medieval and
classical melody lines on "Destroyer of Worlds". I had been listening a
lot to medieval music and got hooked on that quite a bit. I figured that's
a sound we haven't done before and wrote some material based on medieval
melody lines. But I don't know if any of that material had any more of a
medieval touch than the few melody lines that's on "Destroyer of Worlds"
or the stuff that's on "Nordland". |
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Some fans for a moment believed the "Katalog" to be containing some un-released material from these sessions. In fact it was just a sort of BATHORY anthology we produced for the new distribution partners and radio shows. We didn't even intend for it to be released commercially. We had to change our minds about that as it turned out, though. |
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Quorthon: Right. Some folks within the
press thought that really was the edge, like, "-Oh no, not another BATHORY
compilation". But we didn't do it for the press or for the record stores.
We just produced it for the various radio shows that had sprung up around
the world in the last couple of years. Rather than tons of radio guys
having to track all three Jubileum volumes down, or worse, tons of BATHORY
albums in order to be able to cover our history on record, we figured we'd
help them out with a sort of anthology of record. And to make damn sure
the most loved tracks were on it, we asked the fans to write us in order
to comprise their favorite tracking list. |
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Normally when there's a new BATHORY album on the way, you'll talk to the media and do tons of interviews. I know you said you're fed up with it all. You told me you didn't want us to book any twohundred or twohundred and fifty interviews with magazines, fanzines, radiostations and webzines for "Nordland". Instead, you've decided to go for something different promoting the new album. Why did you decide to dodge normal promotion and set this interview up for feature on the Black Mark web site? |
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Quorthon: I just felt I couldn't do it
anymore. At least not the same way it has always been done before.
Everybody responsible for the whole promotion and marketing planning would
go absolutely apeshit if I'd tell them straight out I refuse to do
interviews. I probably have to do a handful symbolic interviews. |
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But BATHORY has sort of helped out a lot in making it difficult being sure what to get when picking a BATHORY record up, haven't you? |
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Quorthon: Sure, but I still think one
should only judge an album for what it is and not force it to go through
some demonic-this or Viking-that kind of philter before you've even heard
it, irregardless of the band name on the cover. |
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And out of that came the idea to feature the mother of all BATHORY articles on the Black Mark web? |
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Quorthon: Yeah, to be able to present
"Nordland" without having to be on the phone or in front of the computer,
answering the exact same twenty questions from twohundred journalists for
ten weeks, is of course a very potent argument. This is bringing all the
issues up that I know the journalists will ask me anyway. It's giving the
answers to the questions I know the fans will write and ask me. Direct
communication with the fans I guess you could call it. No philters or
middle-hands at all. My words in plain. |
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How do you see BATHORY's 80's today? You did albums back then considered holy and imperative to everything that has happened since! |
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Quorthon: The BATHORY that did the
albums "Bathory", "The Return" and "Under the Sign", was a very different
bag of attitude, experience and vision, than the BATHORY that did the
"Blood Fire Death", "Hammerheart" and "Twilight of the Gods" albums. Half
of "Blood Fire Death" contained a new way to write and play the music, a
different to construct and arrange a track. |
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Sounds almost like BATHORY's past has been more of a burden than a feather in your hat at times? |
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Quorthon: Naturally it is not always a
pleasant thing, trying to walk on further down the road of evolution and
history while having to carry around trophies from past victories tied to
your ankles. And its not very pleasant always being compared to an image
of you for the past ten years that has lingered on for loads of years.
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I'm thinking about what you said earlier, about people making life easy by simply pinning you down in a corner as that "Swedish heavy atmospheric metal act with obvious Wagnerian influences and Nordic lyrics". Even though such a large part of your audience do praise the Nordic stuff as genuinely BATHORY; along with pleasing that majority of your audience, wouldn't "Nordland" also justify you guys being pinned down in just that way? |
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Quorthon: Once again, because it felt just right. That environment and atmosphere hadn't been explored in a long time. It's just like when an album features modern topics and brutalities, we'll do that when it feels right. It would be awfully sad and boring to have a scene full of acts all thinking "let's do the same thing on every album for all time" wouldn't it!? |
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You were mentioning icehockey and Harley-Davidson motorcycles before. What sort of lyrics would BATHORY never be able to do ? Do you know when and where the audience would say "ok, that's it"? |
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Quorthon: I think we've covered just
about every topic out there. And we've never received as much as a single
fan mail in the past whining about the loss or feature of a certain topic.
This of course speaks volumes about the problem certain journalists seem
to have about BATHORY doing a track about Icehockey and Harley-Davidson
motorcycles. Both "Sudden Death" and "Krom" were tongue in cheek. Our fans
got the pun and humorous intent, though. |
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Going back to the subject of BATHORY's incredibly versatile back catalogue. If a majority of your audience prefers this heavy Nordic atmosphere, yet a steady minority remains in favor of your dark brutal stuff. Any plans to write, record and release the dark brutal stuff under a different name as a sort of a side project? |
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Quorthon: The issue has been brought up before. My answer is the same every time I'm being asked about side projects of that kind; it would be like denying one side of BATHORY and a part of BATHORY's history. It would also be like betraying and letting a part of our audience down by putting out an album that, even though it may suit them musically and lyricwise, would not feature a BATHORY logo. |
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Few acts are surrounded by as many rumors as BATHORY. Some things I've read in emails, fan mail, fanzines and magazines, nearly made me fall out of my chair. Why do you think that is, the abundance of strange and stupid rumors? |
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Quorthon: Probably a mix of several
things. The dark demonic stories on certain albums and the epic Nordic
tales of other records, may perhaps offer plenty of opportunities for some
people already having a problem with separating reality from lyrics, to
sort of blend fact and fiction. Another reason may be that BATHORY will be
featured in the media usually only when there's a new album out. |
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Any real goodies you could offer us? |
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Quorthon: ...ha-ha-ha.. I have
probably been spared the best ones, and the worst ones, I am afraid. That
old story about me living in a bats cave in the north of Sweden, drinking
blood and eating infants all day long, is one story I have always wondered
how the hell it even survived past a lunch break. |
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We've talked about the Nordic theme a lot, but haven't touched the subject of occult lyrics and Satanism at all. Were you at any point into that stuff for real? |
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Quorthon: Oh no. I mean, when the
whole subject was first picked up, we were just three shitkids coming out
of school basically. We could have picked the same topics that all the big
guys were singing about; girls, parties, fast cars and swigging Jack out
of the bottle. But being so young and innocent, we knew nothing about any
of that lifestyle. |
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Onto a completely different issue now. I remember us talking a couple of months ago about all the BATHORY bootlegs out there. You said you were deeply saddened by some of the stories you heard of fans having bought crap. Is that a reaction on a personal level or business matters? |
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Quorthon: Well, it's sad really. A fan
wrote me and said he'd paid $20 for a crap cassette sold as "Quorthon's
guitar rehearsal tape 1986" or something like that, and how he eventually
had doubts about it's authenticity. And although the tape did contain the
sound of somebody playing guitar in a basement somewhere, half of the
riff's played in a random fashion, was stuff that I wrote many years after
1986 when the tape is said to have been recorded. I mean, obviously it's
not me but some jerk playing his guitar at home. I don't know what's more
frightening; somebody willing to sell stuff like that; or somebody
actually prepared to buy it. |
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I'd be interested to hear what type of music you'd be listen to in your daily life. |
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Quorthon: First of all, there's this
wonderful misconception that I'm all Death, Black and Nordic Metal. But
the truth is, the roughest or most brutal album in my collection would
probably be something by early Motörhead or some Oi-punk album from late
70's or early 80's. When it comes to anything remotely close to what
BATHORY has gone through, I have absolutely nothing of that category in my
collection. And I don't really care if people believe that or not.
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Sounds like a truly weird mix of favorites. What out of all that could possibly have been influencing BATHORY in one way or another? |
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Quorthon: In the early days, the stuff
that would act as a base for BATHORY, was the sound of early Motörhead,
the energy of early GBH and gloom of early Black Sabbath. Later on, around
1985, I began to listen to classical music only. The result of that was I
found a new way to write, arrange and produce the BATHORY albums. |
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You have two solo releases under your belt. A third one in store soon? |
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Quorthon: I have some material written
that might turn into a third solo album, but again the gut feeling must be
absolutely right. There might be one next year or in five years. I guess
first one have to change a bit as a song writer and as a person. |
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What's in store for BATHORY in 2003? |
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Quorthon: The first thing that will happen is "Nordland" part two. Other than that the future is an unwritten page. |
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I was thinking more about the fact that BATHORY celebrating a 20th anniversary in 2003. Any plans made up for that occasion yet? |
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Quorthon: Not yet anyway. Actually
I've been so busy with "Nordland" I haven't thought about much it yet. But
of course when thinking about it, BATHORY's 20th anniversary is as much a
reason for celebration as our 10th and 15th anniversary was. |
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The only thing left for me to do is simply to whish BATHORY all the best for the future and good luck with "Nordland" part I and part II! |
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Quorthon: Thank you very much. And to
every single BATHORY fan out there; Hail the Hordes!
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To be continued... |
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